We need to start discussing the merging of pages. There are still way too many. Have you checked any further about a Discord server for the wiki? One one of the servers for another wiki I moderate, there is a channel for the wiki editors/admins which I think would be useful.
Going through the image library, I want to instate that "1 image per user" thing you brought up. There is a lot of fanart, cosplay, and fanfic type stuff. It's making it difficult to curate the image library as well. Some users seem to use their user page as an "account" and leave. Similar to the way I guess Deviantart would be. I'm not sure how many users recognize that the images they upload are stored in the wiki's image library. There are over 17K files and that needs to be tended to.
I usually make a page regarding image names and uploaded images as a rules and regulations guide. I am going to do that for here because the wiki is still messy.
I understand. I really inherited this wiki and the previous admins, as well as myself, we're pretty passive on user editing. But this wiki is long overdue for cleanup, and as co-admin who is still present, I accept your judgement.
If I have issues, I will talk with you about it. Thanks
I have been admin of a few wikis for a few years now, so the rules I add are not arbitrary.
I will however, still consider your opinion since you're also an admin and maintaining the wiki is a "team effort".
Some further changes I would like to make are:
Merging the "Sailor" pages with the biography pages.
Making "infocells" for minor characters; as seen on this page here and/or here.
Making pages with infocells for video game attacks.
A lot of the pages on here are barely 2 sentences. Allocating them to list-like pages is more effeciant.
Alright. I do have some ideas that we can talk about with page design. After you are done clearing out the wiki, let's talk before merging the Sailor pages. Also, don't erase minor character pages just yet. I do have an idea for them, and I'd like to pitch it before you erase the articles.
I'm concerned about DuchessDream. She literally deleted almost every page about a certain sailor moon actor or actress, Musical actress and voice actress. Please have a talk with her about this. She is unnesscary deleting pages that literally aren't stubs and have info! Basically she deleted actor pages that are literally full of info. I consider this unnesscary deleting.
Sorry for not emntioning this sooner to you. I was planning on announcing it but it seems things got ahead of themselves. Me and DuchessDream have discussed it and we figured it was time for some change in the wiki format. We decided that actors articles do not really contribute much to information on Sailor Moon, itself, as it is one note in their career, and that the wiki needs to be cleaned up. I do think that the wiki has become quite over saturated with articles on actors across multiple languages. I'm sorry you weren't informed sooner, but this isn't vandalism, but moreso a make over of the wiki.
I would have explained had you asked on my message wall.
If you feel something is off or don't understand the changes, please leave a message on my wall and I will be more than happy to explain what's going on (usually an announcement is made for large-scale changes but sometimes mini ones happen but still cause some users to become concerned.) But thank you for your vigilance and concern.
Hello, thank you again for the bureaucratship. I have gone through all the "Unused Photos" and deleted the ones that were:old/low quality, duplicates, and spam/non-Sailor Moon related (Even warned a user or two about their uploads).
I am now working on cleaning up pages. Some things I meant to ask earlier were:
What is acceptable for me to do and decide on my own?
Do you want any changes to be proposed to you first?
Am I allowed to delete pages I see as unnecessary?
Am I allowed to change the format of pages?
Can I change the theme of the wiki (i.e. the background, cursor, favicon. etc)?
The reason I ask is because there are a lot of pages that are very short and are essentially copied form Wikipedia.
The main types of pages I want to delete are: Actor-specific pages, Artist-specific pages
, and Company-specific pages.
They are largely copied from Wikipedia or other database sites. A summary of the actor or company is not necessary on a wiki about Sailor Moon; even if they were involved with Sailor Moon at one point or another. A Wiki usually centers around the lore/story, characters, and in some cases: merchandise (CDs, DVDs, Books, Special Events). So pages dedicated to a voice actor or actress, detailing their life and roles is straying from the main focus. A link to their Wikipedia page when they are mentioned is usually the standard.
Please respond when you can.
P.S. I hope I don't sound like I'm reprimanding or anything; I'm only trying to be as articulate as I can be while giving examples to support my statements. No anger is intended!
Firstly, I think it is best to give the users a heads up when a large amount of pages are about to be deleted.
1) Creating pages, deleting, simply managing articles you can do on your own. You can also ban users, though if their work does not appear intentionally malicious, you should just warn them first to not commit the action again and ban them temporarily again if the do.
2) Anything involving editing the behind-the-scenes of this wiki, we should discuss together (like the background, cursor, favicon as you've mentioned).
3) There are a lot of pages that can be viewed as unnecessary. I'm thinking that if you are going to delete articles that have one sentence that are like items or attacks, it's probably best to add them to the respective character's bio page.
4) I do also think that types of pages need to have consistent formatting. So formatting of an article on Sailor Jupiter should look the same as the formatting of an article of Sailor Mars, since they're both bio articles.
For pages with actor or artist bios, I do think that those who played small roles can be deleted, while ones involved with the show for a good amount of time should stay. Specifically the one sentence articles can be deleted.
I have seen that you have been editing user pages as well. Usually I'd leave those pages alone, out of respect towards the users unless they have posted something inappropriate. They aren't really doing harm to the wiki itself, but I am not really sure.
Most of the time, this wiki has be pretty easy-going when it comes to allowing edits. As long as the edits are respectful and true (meaning they aren't speculation or downright false) we usually let users edit how they want, as long as the adhere to the rules.
Now, I am thinking about creating a Discord for this wiki, but I need to do some research and see what other wikis have done. This wiki does still have a chat, but it is not very active. I would certainly like to hear your thoughts on the matter, when you have the chance.
P.S. Sorry if my writing is a bit sloppy. I am just waking up, wanting to answer your questions as soon as possible. I hope I cleared some things up.
This does answer some of my questions. Both the Cardcaptor Sakura and Love Nikki wikis have a discord (created by an admin I think) that the general wiki contributors can join. I am not particularly Discord-savvy so I will leave that up to you (I don't find Fandom/Wiki's chat very helpful.)
Here are my responses to each point:
1) I understand and agree that an announcement should be made to inform users of a large-scale refurbishment. I have done so on other wikis when I adopted them. I also understand to warn a user rather than straight-ban them. The only time I have ever banned a user was when they were intentionally spamming a wiki. I can usually tell the intent fairly quickly. I am however deleting duplicate images and very low-quality ones. I am trying to at the very least, replace the low resolution ones with higher resolution images.
2) There are some theme-designs I would like to change on this wiki. I'm not sure where specifically to discuss this though.
3) I usually do incorporate pages that have little information, into a similar page.
4) I agree that pages should be consistent in formatting.
I understand that Sailor Moon has the stage-plays, "Sera Myu" and I think I may need to be more specific: I would like to remove the voice actor and artist/musician pages. The reason being, is that they largely don't have much information regarding Sailor Moon other than whom they've voiced. Having a link to the actor's Wikipedia page or imdb through the character bio is usually suffice.
It also helps keep the number of pages on the wiki a more manageable amount. There are a lot of pages dedicated to various actors from various version and languages; that's a lot of extra pages with only the mention of which character they voiced. It's like having an entire page dedicated to Barenaked Ladies because they mentioned Sailor Moon in their one song "One Week".
I will however, leave the Sera Myu actor's pages because that's a little more tricky (I don't have almost any knowledge on Sera Myu other than it is a stage-play).
Please let me know why you feel having the voice actor pages on the wiki is anymore beneficial than linking to a fully-made Wikipedia page. Is there something I'm not understanding?
P.S Again, apologies if I sound argumentative; I don't mean that at all.
The reason I wanted to leave the more long-term voice actors' pages alone was because I had seen another wiki have those pages. That being said, I kinda change my mind on it now. And I agree with leaving the Sera Myu actor pages alone since some actors have worked in multiple plays so it is more than just a one note role for them. When do you think we should tell the other members about the clean-up and the changing policy on this wiki regarding actor pages?
Also, in the matter of consistency, I know there are some pages with the word bio (or Bio) in the title and others without. I decided a while ago not to include the word in the title since I feel it is redundant with the Biography of the character's section. So if you are cleaning up, and you see a page like "___(anime bio)" then feel free to redirect it or rename it.
I appreciate all your help. I am glad someone else is here now to help me manage the wiki.
I am joyed to hear you agree! And I meant that I'd leave the character pages for the Sera Myu characters. Putting in the Trivia section or adding a field to the infobox saying other characters the actor played should be easy enough, rather than an entire page.
I have noticed that some wikis do add voice actor/actor pages, but I also know a lot of admins dislike that. They are usually the first thing I delete when I adopt a wiki. Wikipedia and an acting specialty site such as imdb do a much better job of providing information on the person.
I also was thinking of making a tabber to keep the various version bios more together. For example: A tabber at the top of Ami Mizuno's page that would have "Manga", "Anime", "Crystal", "Sera Meyu". So that users can switch between the different bios of one character more efficiently. I personally actually dislike tabbed pages, and feel that 4 bios for one character is a little much, but I'm guessing there is enough of a difference for them to be needed. In the future I may try to find a away to integrate them all on to one page somehow.
As for an announcement, I can write one up along with the "rules/guide" as well as create a banner for the front page altering contributors.
And no problem at all! I thought about helping this wiki years ago but was intimidated because I was too new to Fandom/Wiki.
The issue I've had with tabs is that I have noticed in the past that they could only be edited in source mode, which is tricky for some users. So maybe hold off on that for the time being.
One thing I have been thinking of doing was combining the Sailor Senshi (and Tuxedo Mask) pages with their respective civilian pages. I'm guessing that the reason they were originally separated was because that was how Wikimoon did it, when this wiki was first made and the formatting never changed. If we do that, that will also be a big project of moving content, and we would have to decide which name of the article to title it.
But for now, we can just focus on clean-up and we can discuss more of the future formatting later.
Yes, I agree; tabbers are helpful for viewing, but difficult to edit. At this time, deleting, renaming and fixing broken links so that there is a more manageable amount of pages on the wiki should be the focus. I suspect that the wiki will go from 4,400+ pages to around 3,500 or less. There are still a lot of very short pages. I will make "dumping pages" for similar info to be pasted i.e. the attacks from the different video games. Many of the attacks have a dedicated page with 2 sentences. Putting them onto one page to be sorted later will also help reduce the amount of pages.
Also, I don't know if you were aware, but removing a page's categories before deleting them saves a large amount of hassle. I have found that when deleting categories, it will often still list a deleted page. So removing all of the categories from a page before deleting a category is the best course of action I've found (unless there is an easier way that I am not aware of).
Hello, I'd like to request a status change to adminship. There are a lot files I'd like to delete or rename to clean up the wiki but lack the status to do so. I have been an admin of other wiki for a few years so I am trust worthy and know the basics of code.
The wiki is very large and I would like to help clean it up. But I will understand if declined.
If you gave me bureaucrat status, that means I could just give myself admin rights lol. You don't need to worry about me being an inactive admin. If I do happen to become inactive or have to go on hiatus, I'd let you know.
Hello, I am not sure if it is you I spoke with about making the video game menus, but I would like to ask if it would be alright to make a menu page for the music? rather than rely on the category page. I have implemented quite a few on other wikis. here are some examples: